In a blog entry I recently discovered, written by a single
Christian girl ( who claims to want to understand the" objective truth")
I discovered an entry regarding BDSM, it's morality and acceptability.
Quick reminder that this is the 21st century.
I found this
'persons' viewpoint of BDSM offensive. Totally uninformed, erroneous, clueless,
nescient, uneducated, ignorant, agnostical, naive, lacking in factual
evidence...I could go on, but I think I'll spare her any more of my linguistic
revilements, for now.
Below is the article to which I am referring to.
I suggest
reading it.
I suggest commenting on it.
Arguments that cannot be used to call BDSM morally acceptable
Is there anything good about BDSM?: Arguments that cannot be
used to call BDSM morally acceptable
May 17, 2013 at 7:44 pm
I have previously argued that BDSM, (SEE BOTTOM OF THIS ARTICLE) whatever the
participants want to say of it, is morally reprehensible.
Here I will argue how
my opposition could – and could not – defend their view if they disagree.
Arguments that cannot be used to call BDSM morally acceptable
1) “What you described is abuse, not BDSM:”
Here is a definition of domestic abuse:
“Any incident or pattern of incidents of controlling,
coercive or threatening behaviour, violence or abuse between those aged 16 or
over who are or have been intimate partners or family members. This can
encompass, but is not limited to, the following types of abuse: psychological,
physical, sexual, financial, emotional. Controlling behaviour is: a range of
acts designed to make a person subordinate and/or dependent by isolating them
from sources of support, exploiting their resources and capacities for personal
gain, depriving them of the means needed for independence, resistance and
escape and regulating their everyday behaviour. Coercive behaviour is: an act or
a pattern of acts of assault, threats, humiliation and intimidation or other
abuse that is used to harm, punish, or frighten their victim.”
BDSM often include “physical and other forms of violence”.
(Participants in this sexual kink may not like the word violence, but per
definition it fits.) It is no surprise that it does, because sadism is part of
the name of BDSM, and thus a component that may or may not be part of such a
relationship. It includes many types of “acts to make a partner subordinate”,
it often include bondage which obviously “deprive”, for the time of bondage,
“of the means for independence, resistance and escape”. Dominance often amounts
to “regulating the sub’s everyday behaviour”. Much of BDSM include acts to
“punish”, and many subs describe feeling fear (being “frightened”) during
scenes.
Some warning signs of abusers include: Controlling
behaviour, “playful” use of force in sex, verbal abuse; rigid sex roles (man
above, woman lower); a sense of entitlement (many doms say they “deserve” the
treatment the sub gives them); and hierarchical self-esteem (needing to be
“better” than another to feel good about himself). Most of these warning signs
of potential abuse are present in what I hear of almost every BDSM
relationship.
As such, BDSM and abuse are not mutually exclusive.
I can imagine a relationship with no bondage ( no “depriving
of the means needed for independence, resistance and escape”); with discipline
or punishments that cannot be called “violent” at all and does not amount to
“control” by the dom because the sub has to ask to get it; no dominance that
controls the behavior of a partner – but the partner in “submission” by wanting to generally please and be loyal
without there being control; no sadism (violence) or masochism (taking of
violence to fulfill needs). But will such a relationship, deprived of anything
that counts as abuse, still be a BDSM relationship?
2) Sub: “But I do not see it as abuse”:
Many abuse victims do not know they are being abused. Their
communities or the abusers tell them that it is not abuse, that they should be
thankful for what they have, etc. To quote one abused woman:
Sometimes it takes time away from “normal” to see that it is
indeed not normal after all. After 3 months of separation from my husband, I
have new insight as to what normal is. When you are in a mentally or
emotionally abusive marriage, sometimes you don’t know that your normal is not
normal after all.
3) “It is consensual”:
Consent is not enough to make something right. Many employees,
for example, choose to keep their jobs even though the boss is a bully, thereby
consenting to be treated the way the boss treats them. Treating your workers
badly is still not morally right. (And many child molesters get the child to
“consent”- but the consent do not count as the child is too young.)
However, I agree that doing something to another without
consent would normally be immoral. Consent is probably part of the utter
minimum of decent behavior under most circumstances. If BDSM is consensual it
avoids one type of very immoral behavior, but so does “we don’t rob money
during scenes.”
But even with such a small yardstick, BDSM is ambigious.
BDSM acts may exploit and worsen the kind of personality flaw that makes
someone consent to things that is not good for him or her.
4) “But my relationship is not like that”:
This blog post is not about your relationship. It is about
BDSM. For example, one sub could say:
He is very concerned when I have a backache … he likes to
cane me during scenes.”
Concern during backaches is not BDSM (Bondage, Discipline,
Domination/ Submission, or Sadism/ Masochism). Caning during scenes, however,
is one of the many things that counts as a BDSM practice.
If there are BDSM aspects to your relationship that are
morally positive, you are welcome to describe those, so I can add to my
understanding. But mentioning the non-BDSM aspects of your relationship to
defend BDSM is like saying “He is opposed to stealing TVs and hi-fis” to defend
someone who steals computers.
What is more, I have never spoken to a BDSM participant who
– if (s)he gives any evidence to study the truth of his claims by – actually
speak the truth about their relationships. They will say things like “we have a
mutually respectful relationship” – and when I go to their blogs, one of the
most recent entries has him calling her a [semen receptacle], and her crying
bitterly because she wants to be loved, not a mere [semen receptacle] – and she
really believes this is his actual view of her, that she is nothing more to
him. If your partner sees you as an object, you are not in a mutually
respectful relationship.
Or they will testify things like: “he will never hurt a fly”
with the next sentence “he likes to induce pain on me, but I like it” and
somewhat further in the conversation “I get punishment beatings which I do not
like, and they hurt more than what I like.” If he induces pain, he hurts you.
If there are pain in your relationship that you do not like, it is not wholly
true that you like the pain he brings into your relationship.
5) “But I like it/ crave it”:
1) Desiring something does not make it good. For example,
selling heroin is not morally good, even though addicts crave it. It is not
morally good, because it destroys the one who gives in to the craving.
2) It is often not true that the sub enjoys BDSM – for
example, a punishment to discipline the sub will probably be enjoyed by either
only the dominant, or neither of them. Many subs speak of experiencing negative
emotions like fear during scenes, and actually likes the feeling of relief from
getting out of these negative situations afterwards. None of them actually
enjoy pain or will, for example, butt their head against walls for fun.
3) Subs often “want” the opposite of what they want: They
actually want kindness, tenderness and reassuring words of encouragement and
praise like everyone else, but they feel they will be in a better position to
enjoy having these needs met if they start with rough treatment and negative
messages. The rough treatment – degradation, insults, etc., is what they “want”
but the opposite of what they really want. A man who gives them the bad
treatment could certainly make them unhappier. They take that risk, in the hope
that a scene, where they live themselves into the bad, will end with the good.
When the dom is not good at providing the good part, he can say he did only
things the sub “allowed” and even “craved.” But he did not give her what she
really enjoys, and he probably did harm her psychologically.
One dom testify that every sub he ever met was conflicted
over her wants, with a part of her that finds her BDSM desires deviant. Which
make sense, really: Obviously in any sane person, there will be a part that
dislike these things. Between those two conflicting and opposite desires of the
sub, the dom chooses to give the deviant one. I suggest that this says a lot
about the character of the dominant partner.
6) “I don’t feel like this is something bad”:
I will quote CS. Lewis on this:
When a man is getting better he understands more and more
clearly the evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse, he
understands his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not
very good: a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense,
really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are sleeping.
You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working properly: while
you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand the nature of
drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good people know about
both bad and evil: bad people do not know about either.
Perhaps you do not regard something as morally bad, because
your soul has become used to the badness in BDSM. If you disagree, show me what
positive moral values is encouraged by BDSM.
7) But this is safe and sane!:
Safe is free from the possibility of getting harmed or hurt.
If you want me to believe that BDSM is safe, you have to convince me that
bondage, discipline, domination/ submission, and sadism/ masochism does no
damage or pain of any kind to the self image, the body, the interpersonal
relationships, the mind, or the acknowledgement of real moral values, of the
submissive, or the dominant, or the reader of BDSM blogs and websites.
If you want to tell me it is sane, you have to convince me
that there is nothing insane about wanting bondage instead of freedom,
domination instead of you and others each getting their will, or pain (I don’t
just mean physical pain, but also the mental pain of being degraded and treated
as less than) -in yourself or your partner – instead wanting a healthy,
non-hurting, autonomous body. mind and heart.
And sane things could still be unethical. I can think of
several reasons why a sane man would want to rob a bank, but that does not make
bank robbery morally right.
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So please: If you think you have evidence to suggest BDSM is
morally better that I give credit for on this blog, please give it. Bring up
some actual moral standard, for example kindness or justice, and explain how
BDSM, or some aspect of it, is kind or just or whatever moral standard you
admitted.
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Why BDSM should not be seen as acceptable by mainstream
culture
November 10, 2012 at 5:46 am
When can you call yourself a good person? The usual secular
answer goes something like this:
I don’t hurt anyone. I do not want to hurt anyone. So I am a
good person.
I previously argued that this approach to moral goodness is
less than adequate, but that is not today’s topic. Point is, someone who does
not want to hurt others – physically, emotionally, economically, etc. is
regarded, by almost any set of values including the purely secular, as superior
to those who want to hurt others. And that simple baseline idea of morality:
“Do not hurt others” is a fairly good start for a moral conscience. Per
extention, hurting others on purpose is the baseline standard of moral evil.
Where does that put people who like sadistic or masochistic
acts? (Warning: Violent sexual graphics in link.)
Are people who condone this as moral as those who oppose
this?
A sadist hurts people. A masochist finds sadistic behavior –
hurting others – acceptable, something (s)he encourages and defends in a
partner. This hurting could be physical pain, or it could be humiliation ,
insults and degradation.
The BDSM community may say that their standard of morality
is “safe, sane and consensual.” In my opinion, that is automatically a lower
standard than not hurting people:
> To safely hurt
people – in other words, hurting them emotionally and physically, but not to
such an extent that their life or health is in danger – is a lower moral
standard than not hurting them. It is also nonsensical. Part of the definition
of “safe” is “free from hurt” and “protected from being hurt”. As such,
anything or anyone that causes hurt is, per definition, unsafe.
> To sanely hurt
people – hurting them while staying in control of your emotions, while doing
nothing that the BDSM community will regard as crazy, is a lower standard than
not wanting to hurt people. It is also a contradiction in terms. Mental health
professionals regards both sexual sadism and sexual masochism as mental
disorders.*
> To hurt
consensual people is a lower standard of morality than not hurting people. A
similar example will be selling cocaine only to consensual buyers – of course,
that is morally worse than not selling cocaine at all. But the similarities
goes further: Drug sellers not only want to sell to consensual people, but they
do what they can to enslave their customers further, so they can sell more
drugs and make more money. Likewise, sadists encourage their consensual
submissives to consent to worse pain and worse humiliation than before. And
both drug sellers and the BDSM community push their product because they want
to enslave new customers.
Anyone who is involved in BDSM (I am not speaking about the
ropes and blindfolds part here, but pain and humiliation) have rejected the
simplest basic human value of “it is wrong to hurt people.” Can you reject this
value, and still be a good and trustworthy member of society, safe for those
around you to be with? I do not think so. I believe this will spill over into
the other human interactions of the BDSM participant.
I do not expect to make any BDSM participant en
ex-participant with this post. I want to tell “vanilla” (non-BDSM) people to
not regard these people as normal people who just have different sexual needs.
This is not in the same class as, say, a fetish for high heels or even a
preference for your own gender. This is a direct rejection of the most basic
value of how to treat humans. To the degree you start to find sadism/ masochism in pornography and
literature acceptable, you reject the most basic moral standard that is written
on normal human hearts. To the degree you watch that kind of pornography, you
encourage and even fund cruelty.
(Edit, added about 12 hours after this post first appearing:
I should have asked this before, but please do not link to BDSM/DD web sites or
blogs in the comments, including the place where you optionally fill in your
blog name after your name and e-mail address. Thank you)
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Note*
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
regards both sexual masochism and sexual sadism as mental disorders. Because
of, among others, pressure from the BDSM community, consensual masochism or
sadism is only regarded as a mental disorder nowadays if it causes “clinically
significant distress or impairment in important areas of functioning.” It
appears humiliation and degradation is prone to cause significant distress for
the person subjected to it, and I expressed the opinion that letting go of the
“hurting people is wrong” standard will dause impairment in social functioning.
Even when all sadism and masochism was considered mental
disorders, BDSM people already called “sane” one of their values.